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block template

What went wrong with your sig is that you didn't subst: the template. Just letting you know. Griffinofwales (talk) 20:27, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Oh, thanks. This is good to know. I need to add this to my monobook. Anyway, it works also this way. Barras (talk) 20:33, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

RfA comment change

Thanks for the revert, I was about to go do the same thing after being publicly shamed on IRC for not thinking :( In my defense it made sense in my mind! Jamesofur (talk) 21:37, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

That happends and the IRC users slaped you, I guess :P No worries. Barras (talk) 21:39, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
you changed my section title how dare you!..... yea looks like i'm doing awesome today :) Jamesofur (talk) 21:41, 5 September 2009 (UTC)


. :D Thanks. Barras (talk) 13:00, 7 September 2009 (UTC)


Peer review - OSU

You said at Talk:Ohio State University you would have some more advice after reading the campus section and below. Do you still think these areas need work? I'd love your feedback. Thanks, hmwithτ 05:47, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Oh, sorry. I forgot to review the rest. I'll have a look at the article in the late afternoon/evening. Barras (talk) 09:15, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
 I'm done with the review. Have fun with it :) Barras (talk) 17:57, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
Haha, oh, I have been. Most of it's been dealt with. The more complex fixes suggested by you a Pm still need to be done. I've added a to-do list to keep everything organized and on-track. hmwithτ 15:35, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

PVGA Review

Hey Barras,

I'd appreciate it if you could possibly take a look at Blackpool tramway which is my latest article at PVGA. All comments, both good and bad, would be appreciated.


Goblin 19:40, 22 September 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Juliancolton!

I'm sorry, but I'm very busy in real life atm. I don't have the time right now, to do such major things. Barras (talk) 20:47, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

VGA stuff

Cheers Barras. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:21, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

:) Barras (talk) 17:22, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
While it's no big deal, you've just done the very thing that you said was "wrong" with the new system, i.e. not judging consensus. There was no consensus to promote that article, yet you still promote it? While I agree it's promotable, I remember you (and others) saying that you did not like the system because people can promote things just because they like it. That's technically what this is... Just a heads up. Goblin 17:34, 10 October 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Nifky!
People thought my conversation with Eptalon on ST about OS election (only Eptalon and me commented) is consensus. THe question is: What is consensus? Not clear rules... you have to live with it. I don't care. No one participate, because they don't like this system, otherwise we could get consensus. Barras (talk) 17:37, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
If you don't like the system, why are you closing VGAs? Why don't you comment on them and make consensus? Or why not make comments to make it better rather than just "i like the old one. let's go back to it" - I thought that you were a better Wikipedian than that. You'll actually we find we have more P(V)GAs than ever, so your argument doesn't really hold any weight with me... The rules are perfectly clear, if xyz users (And consensus is not a determinate amount of users, so yes, two people could be a consensus, but in this case there were no comments towards promoting) comment in favour of then we promote. Simples. <squeak> Goblin 17:59, 10 October 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Juliancolton!
I closed it, because it was still time to close it. The system is failing because no one comments there. And sorry for having a real life and not always having time to read all suggestions and make comments. Barras (talk) 18:03, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
Don't bring real life into this, i'm one of the users who advocates a real life and I have a very busy and hectic one myself. If you're not involved and object to it, then just poke someone else to close it, don't change your mind, it makes you look a fool. Or, instead of closing it why not make some suggestions... Anyway, i've said my bit and much more besides now. I'm off. Goblin 18:13, 10 October 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Nifky!
First, I guess you know that I don't care what other say and when they disagree with me. Secondly, I don't change my mind. Thirdly, I were involded with my comments on the article's talk page and I closed it. I just didn't made another post that now all is fixed on the PVGA page. The look in the future: You will have a lot of fun with me and such closures and the best, I will not care about it and not respons to such threads. Barras (talk) 18:46, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
EOD. No future comments are needed here --Barras (talk) 18:46, 10 October 2009 (UTC)


(Deletion log); 21:53 . . Barras (talk | changes) changed revision visibility of User:Jamesofur: hid content for 2 revisions (Offensive / libellous information: and PI)

Thank you for this, I appreciate the quick response. – Katerenka (talk • contribs) 21:55, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
Well, I failed, otherwise you wouldN#t have seen it. I forgot to chack one box. At all, no problem, therefore I have the extra tools :) Barras (talk) 21:58, 10 October 2009 (UTC)


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For Barras for his continual work in updating pages, cleaning up old talk pages, fighting vandalism, offering advice and help, working on countless other projects and keeping this wiki working efficiently. A great admin. Peterdownunder (talk) 10:10, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
Thank you. Barras (talk) 10:26, 12 October 2009 (UTC)


Hello barras,

In the interests of transparency, I shall repeat here what I said on IRC. I have reverted your demotion of this article as it was against criteria, i.e. you are an involved party and it is not "legal".

Kind regards,

Goblin 15:00, 12 October 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Juliancolton!

Your decline of QD

Actually, you are wrong. It was previously deleted due to A4, and the user recreated it, which makes it fall under the G4 rule. Razorflame 21:30, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

G4 doesn't aply for already qded articles. Barras (talk) 21:31, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
G4 applies for articles that are recreated after being previously deleted, which they were, so it does apply. Razorflame 21:32, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
This rule cannot be used if the content had already been quickly deleted before. from Wikipedia:QD#G4 last sentence. Barras (talk) 21:33, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
It still fails A4, so it should still be deleted. Thanks for clearing that up. Razorflame 21:34, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
Did you read the latest drama on ST? Please use RFD for this now. Barras (talk) 21:35, 15 October 2009 (UTC)


for the nice work on Ludwig Beck cheers. GoofyBirdy64 (talk) 17:42, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

No problems. Keep up the good work. Barras (talk) 17:44, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Ried fan de Fryske Beweging

Hello, I want to ask you a Question. I am an employee from a organization what is called de Ried fan de Fryske Beweging (The Council of the Frisian movement) We are a organization who is trying to preserve the Frisian language and culture. Frisian is a minority language in the Netherlands. The question is would you translate this article about our organization in your language Ried fan de Fryske Beweging. So our organization gets a higher ranking. I thank you in forward. (sorry for my bad English) Greetings from Fryslân. Jellefrl (talk) 22:10, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Brauche Hilfe in meinen Englischkentnissen :-)

Hallo Barras,
wie du schon mitbekommen hast versuche ich mich am übersetzen und denke das der BNR Artikel auch noch eine gewaltige Überarbeitung,wegen meiner grottigen Grammatik, von mir bedarf :-)
Nun weiss ich nicht wie ich folgendes Ausdrücken soll: "... Webalizer produziert standardmäßig zwei verschiedene Auswertungen ...", wie schreibe ich in simple-english das Wort "Auswertungen"?
Gruss --LSG1 (talk) 20:09, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Hallo! "Webalizer normally produces two different analyses..." könnte gehen, glaub ich. Denke immer daran, die Sätze so jkurz wie Möglich zu halten und möglichst alles verlinken auch wie hier zum wikionary. Gruß Barras (talk) 20:34, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

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GoblinBot3 (talk) 08:49, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Block me!

Hi Barras

Please could you block me until Janurary 1st 2010 as I'm going to vandalise now!-- (talk) 20:36, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

sure... Barras (talk) 20:39, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Talk page change feature

Hi Barras. Please could you change my Samlaptop85213 setings so that I will be able to change my talk page in the future. Prehaps you could protect it for a very long time and then once it's unprotected I will make an unblock request. I can be sensible on forums, so that means I will be able to be sensible here on Wikipedia. I promise this time! This is my big promise that once my talk page is not proteccted, I will make a unblock request and I will edit nicely. I want to make constructive edits on that Bop It article but I am blocked indef. I also promised the admin that I will never slip up. I have been unbaned from that forum for a month now, and I never done anything wrong. That's one reason why my settings should be changed.-- (talk) 09:17, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Absolutely no need. Stop using your IP to post requests and editing in violation of your block. I'd advise this request be declined. If you want unblocks, mail to simple-admins-I. Pmlineditor  09:20, 31 October 2009 (UTC)


What is the problem with saying hi to someone? Majorly talk 19:06, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

This wasn't a hi, this looked more like a nonsense edit to annoy/ping others. I don't see any sense behind this edit and told this the user. Furthermore, it is pretty useless. This user is inactive. Barras (talk) 19:10, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
It was a greeting of some sort, please don't go around threatening blocks for non-blockable purposes. Majorly talk 19:13, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
I don't even need to tell him that this aren't constructive edits per our current blocking policy: Administrators also have the right to block users who have been banned on other Wikipedias or other Wikimedia Foundation projects. This will be decided on a case-by-case basis. If there is no purpose to make such edits I can do it without any discussion. Barras (talk) 19:19, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
That does not equate to "block regardless of merit". It would certainly require discussion, as I've not seen any problematic edits. Clearly there was a purpose, you just didn't see it. Majorly talk 20:03, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Christine Lieberknecht

So. Mein erster Artikel für die Simple-English-Wikipedia ist fertig. Ich hoffe, dass er simpel genug im Sinne dieses Projekts ist ;) - eine Ironie des Schicksals ist jetzt, dass er um ein Vielfaches umfangreicher ist als der in der "richtigen" englischen WP. An die trau ich mich aber nicht soo richtig ran, auch wenn der Schulenglischunterricht "erst" 3,5 Jahre zurückliegt. Naja, was solls; wenn der Artikel zu gestelzt ist, kann gerne noch weiter simplifiziert werden ;) Ach ja, das Rollback brauch ich erstmal wohl nicht, sooo aktiv wollt ich hier auch wieder nicht werden (wie du siehst, hab ich mich schon 06 hier angemeldet, hab hier einen einzigen Edit getätigt und war dann bis vor ein paar Wochen wieder verschollen); und so lange gehts auch mit der "umständlichen" Methode :) --Steffen Löwe Gera (talk) 22:45, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Muss sagen, es sieht gut aus. Habe noch ein Komma reingemacht, aber der rest dürfte stimmen. Ich finde es auch besser, das hier mitmachst, wir sind besser als en ;) Würde mich freuen wenn ich dich öffters mal sehe. Falls du noch mal irgendwelche Hilfe brauchst, so dag einfach bescheid. MfG Barras (talk) 14:33, 6 November 2009 (UTC)


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Thanks :) Barras (talk) 09:47, 8 November 2009 (UTC)


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GoblinBot3 (talk) 23:59, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Block my IP

Hi Barras

Please could you block my IP indefinite!-- (talk) 16:38, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

sure... --Barras (talk) 16:41, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Request for deletion

how can he just go and close it without discussion? the word occupied is inherently pov..Zvn (talk) 19:23, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Because the cat is ok. I don't see a reason to delete it. --Barras (talk) 19:24, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Wow it was closed without any kind of refute to my reason for nominating it. "Its acceptable" that's all? Do you mean to say the part of Kashmir on India's side was actually illegally captured by India? Why doesn't such a category exist on Because its non-neutral. At least let the discussion take place? --Zvn (talk) 19:30, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

If you think it is the title that's the bad part, so just move it. At least to me and one other editer it looks ok, but I wouldn't mind a move. And only because enwiki doesn't have such a cat doesn't mean we can't have it. --Barras (talk) 19:33, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Sure but how to move it? :) --Zvn (talk) 19:34, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

e/c We are not saying that anything to do with Kashmir has been conducted illegally or not. That would then give us a POV ourselves and we do not wish to have one (or at least I don't) on this topic as I know nothing about it. "Occupied" does not state a POV and simply states facts, thus why we closed it. We are not the English Wikipedia and it therefore doesn't matter if it's the same here as it is there. There is nothing wrong with the category, and two of us have now said so. Please, leave this alone now. Thanks, Goblin 19:35, 13 November 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Juliancolton!
 (change conflict)  I'm not sure if you are autoconfirmed. If you are, there should be a tab (like the edit button) on the top of the page which is named "move". Try this. If there isn't such a tab for you, just tell me the wished name and I do it for you. --Barras (talk) 19:36, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Thank you Barras. Please change the title to "Category:India administered Kashmir". I don't see a tab to use myself.--Zvn (talk) 19:39, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

I learned now a now thing. Now I know that I would have to create a new category and have to fix all page that use this category. Then I would have to delete the old one. My today's lesson: We can't move categories. --Barras (talk) 19:48, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Never mind then, Barras. Thank you for trying :/

Hey Zvn, as Barras mentioned above Categories cannot be moved due to restrictions on the MediaWiki software. This gives us a few options:
  • Keep it as it is
  • Create/delete and manually change all links
  • Create/delete but run a "bot" on it in an hour or so.
The third option would be the best imo, but it's your guys call. I can run the bot from about 9UTC if so required; i'm not on my PC atm.
Cheers, Goblin 19:56, 13 November 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Fr33kman!


It is much easier to find typos in someone else's writing - in your own writing they just seem to be invisible. Please check my writing too! Thanks for the barnstar, the Hermann Goering page must be close to being ready now. And I knew that you didn't really mean that the University was the oldest in Europa. Thanks again, Peterdownunder (talk) 20:49, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

True. Europa is German for Europe. That's a language problem, but anyway. Thanks again :) --Barras (talk) 21:30, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

What's going to happen next year

Hi Barras

I have decided that next yeaer, I'm going to ask for my mail and talk page to be removed. I promise that for next year, I will never ever make vandal edits. From now on, I wil make constructive edits. I can correct things if I need to. I have done on the bop it article becaues I know about bop it and I have the lot.

So next year, change my block settings and I will be correcting information. That's why I should be unblocked because I can behave and I do correct things.-- (talk) 18:10, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

... stop spam me! --Barras (talk) 18:18, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Hello little children

I'm Bubby the Bear. How are you today?

Would you like me to read you a story?

--Bubby the Bear (talk) 03:01, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Guten tag!

Guten tag Barras! It's been a long time since we have talked, I have been in Iraq for too long. It is good to be back! DefenseSupportParty 03:10, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Kingsway tramway subway

I Can Haz Review? Goblin 22:03, 19 November 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Fr33kman!

 nope, never ever! --Barras (talk) 18:52, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Block me!

Hi Barras

Please could you block me until 18th December 2009 as I am sock of Samlaptop. Don't protect my talk page incase I want to make a unblock during this time!-- (talk) 07:51, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

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For doing the SN deliveries in the absence of GB3 - thanks! Goblin 22:57, 24 November 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Chenzw!

Enjoy! Goblin 22:57, 24 November 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Chenzw!

Thank you :) --Barras (talk) 23:18, 24 November 2009 (UTC)


I was in a rush this morning and I couldn't remember the exact template for closing RfD's. I figured someone else who knew how would do it. Thanks. Synergy 15:51, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

No problems :) --Barras (talk) 16:34, 25 November 2009 (UTC)


Dear Barras, You removed my quote. When quite clearly bombs do infact go "boom".

If you would refer to the "airplane" page of simple wikipedia you will see exactly the same thing. And yet this has not been removed. Thank you :D — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs)

This unecyclopaedic nonsense is now removed. --Barras (talk) 12:19, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Your RfB

Has been closed as successful in accordance with the new promotion criteria, as two bureaucrats have endorsed your request. Congratulations! :) Bureaucratship isn't that much harder than adminship for the most part; just add Wikipedia:Changing username to your watchlist and keep an eye out for open RfAs and RfBs. If you need any help, feel free to ask me on my talk page. Finally, someone will be right over with your new and improved T-shirt! Cheers, –Juliancolton | Talk 14:48, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

I told you that you would pass :) Congrats! Enjoy the new hat. Goblin 15:38, 30 November 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Juliancolton!
Glückwünsche. :) @Kate (talk) 16:56, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
Thanks and vielen Dank! --Barras (talk) 17:02, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
Well done though I am disappointed you didn't stick to your word. You'll do fine though. Yotcmdr =talk= 17:16, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
Congrats! -- ಠ_ಠ!i!King OF ZE Ravenz!i!ಠ_ಠ (talk) 17:18, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

user:Students at the UCLA

You might want to have a discussion with them in regards to this. @Kate (talk) 18:34, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

If it is a project like a school project and some people work in groups together, so I have no problems with the account. We'll see what this account is doing in the future or an other admin block this account. Thanks for informing me. --Barras (talk) 18:49, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Top icons

If you're a fan of top icons, here is a fun one you may wish to utilize. Yours, @Kate (talk) 17:42, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Sure, I added it :) --Barras (talk) 17:47, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
Hehe, cool. :) By the way, thanks for fixing the description.. sometimes I forget which wikipedia I am editing. @Kate (talk) 17:48, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
I know this. I created today something here which was for WT and not for WP. It's sometimes confusing ;) --Barras (talk) 17:50, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

You moved River Yaque del Norte

I have found that you moved River Yaque del Norte to Yaque del Norte River for not valid reason, at least for me. There are only four wikis with a similar article and it would be very easy to made the appropriate changes; I was planning to make them but you were faster than me.

Normally I like when people correct my articles because English is not my language but I do not like changes like this when it would be very easy to ask me first. But it is OK; I did realize that I have been working a lot in Wikipedia (in several languages), forgetting my very own website. Now I am going to work on my website and forget about Wikipedia for several months. Jmarcano (talk) 00:40, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

There is a valid reason. I used it in the move summary. We normally use enwikis names of articles. If an article already exists on en, so we use the same name (always). And please remember: It's a wiki. I don't need to ask people before I change/move the page they created when I have a reason. If you leave for a move, so it's probably better for you do do so. The move was and still is valid and also with a valid reason. Regards --Barras (talk) 13:56, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Adding articles from en

Thanks for the message. I'm still learning the different ways of working on articles on this version. Will do better to simplify articles. Kaiser matias (talk) 20:31, 3 December 2009 (UTC)


Hi there. This is the second IP that has been vandalizing Edgar Allen Poe, which makes me think that maybe a 24 hour semi-protection is needed? Razorflame 21:08, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

The second IP is blocked. If an other one appears, I'll protect the page for a week. --Barras (talk) 21:12, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

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Well done

I know ! we don't give these out on Simple. Being Bold. Well done! Victuallers (talk) 12:09, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks :) --Barras (talk) 13:05, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

Hello, Barras!

Thank you for writing in my Northanger Abbey:talk. You're right - I did copy the version in the other Wikipedia, Wikipedia, the free Encyclopedia. I'm afraid I'm not very good at summarizing. Oh, well... I did change all the hard words into simple words, and took out some complicating sentences. I hope I did right? If there's anything wrong with my article, please inform me! Yours sincerely, Pretty Lydie (talk) 04:04, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

I'll have a look at it later. --Barras (talk) 13:19, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
Looks ok for me even thought some more [[links]] would look nice. Well done. --Barras (talk) 15:21, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Oh, yes, thank you! I'm afraid I'm just a beginner... So I don't know many links to Northange Abbey, even though it's my most favorite book. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pretty Lydie (talkcontribs)

No worries. We all have started once... --Barras (talk) 14:27, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

User talk:‎‎

Just letting you know that the above IP is registered to the Government of Saskatchewan, so it might require a post on the Communications Committee page. Griffinofwales (talk) 16:58, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the info, but I'm not going to report it, because 1) Id on't know where/how, 2) it's surely on enwiki (where I'm rarely active) and 3) I don't really care as this is the first time from this IP. Best --Barras talk 17:02, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
Well for future reference, it is located here (on Meta). Just follow the example of earlier reports. Griffinofwales (talk) 17:04, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
Ah, on meta... The page is already on my watch list. I made a notice on my desk an hope I will not forget it if I need this. Thanks --Barras talk 17:08, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Merry Christmas Barras

Hi Barras

Merry Christmas. Hope that I get unblocked soon.-- (talk) 07:10, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

Umm... I'm not Barras, but I must ask: You are not blocked from what I can tell from your block log. Are you using an alternate account inappropriately? —Mythdon [talk] [changes] 07:12, 25 December 2009 (UTC)
It's Samlaptop. See his other messages above. Heh. --Bsadowski1(Talk|Changes) 07:13, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

Anyway, thanks :) --Barras talk 10:16, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

Skins (TV Series)

Hey there Barras. The reason why I nominated it for quick deletion was because I am pretty sure that the MW software would automatically redirect to that if you typed it in all caps. We could always do a little experiment to see if I am right or not. Delete it and then type it into the search box and see if it automatically redirects. If it does, leave it deleted. If it does not, restore it. Fair enough for you? Razorflame 21:00, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

I deleted it and tried it. It seems to work this way. The Media Wiki software seems to autofix this. Regards --Barras talk 21:05, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
Great :). I was pretty sure that I was right about it, and I guess that I learnt that kind of redirect killing from editing on the Simple English Wiktionary ;). Razorflame 21:07, 29 December 2009 (UTC)