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Hey Gobby! Firstly, can you send me the blinds again please? I had a fatal hardware issue with my computer today (HDD started actually smoking!! :-( So I've lost the images I was making for you. Also, I think we need to get some tightening up of the DYK process. You are right in that too much is being handled with slackness. Just because the rules have been relaxed somewhat doesn't mean that the processes should be relaxed. For instance, I've noticed that hooks are getting approved when they shouldn't be (guilty of that myself), hooks are getting nominated when they have zero chance of making it through the process. The management of the queue process probably needs a bit of tweaking also. For instance, could we allow an editor who is involved with a hook, but is not the only one to approve it, for instance, to move it into a queue? Should we set up a list of approved users who can move into queues and ask everyone else not to. Basically, what do you think of the whole process at the moment? Do you think anything needs improvement? fr33kman talk 21:48, 1 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hey Fr33ky! No worries, will send them once Issue 6 is dispatched (as soon as I find someone with Word 07!). As for DYK, i agree. I'm also guilty of moving and updating with articles that haven't been thoroughly checked, and that's one reason why i've also started reviewing again. I agree with articles being added with no-hope too. I've just no'd an article with absolutely no references what so ever. And, unlike you, because you're nice than me ;) i'm not going to be helping to fix it. Users, especially those who take credit for their DYKs, should be watching and fixing issues themselves, not fly-by nominating. The process and rules themselves I think are fine for now - not too tight but not too slack, and I hope that my new way of updating works ok. What does need improvement I think is the amount of people involved. I've found in the past that i've not been able to review or nominate hooks because they will never end up in a Queue or Main Paged. I think your suggestion that if a hook is multiple yes'd then one of the yes's can move is a good one, and i'm going to be bold and add it. In addition, I think such a list may also be a good idea - perhaps a list of "trusted" users who have shown their trust within DYK who can move hooks that they have nominated/yes'd provided at least one other person - on the list or otherwise - has approved the hook. Does that make sense? I'm going to drop messages to other users pointing them here, because unfortunately it seems that discussion at ST or WT:DYK will fall flat! Regards, Goblin 14:33, 2 July 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Kennedy![reply]
I know we decided not to give credit to the person who found the hook, but maybe we should start doing that; could motivate them. Yotcmdr =talk to the commander= 15:33, 2 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I would like to add to this, but please if possible take this discussion to the DYK talk page so that everyone can participate. Best, NonvocalScream (talk) 17:41, 2 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
*cough* Read what I put. No-one reads WT:DYK, or if they do, they don't comment. I can go and get some statistics if you like. Goblin 17:43, 2 July 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Kennedy![reply]
Then there should be no issue moving it. Shall I? NonvocalScream (talk) 17:50, 2 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
That's the very reason not to move it - Exhibit A: WT:DYK#Too_lax, on this very topic. Exhibit B: WT:DYK#Various_odds_.26_ends. Exhibit C: WT:DYK#Anons_proposing_hooks. I'm more than happy to continue. Goblin 17:52, 2 July 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Kennedy![reply]
I think credit is a good motivator. I also (if I may open this can of worms one more time) think that DYK is one area where a wikicup would succeed. It would be pretty easy to run as it is concentrated in such a small area. fr33kman talk 19:02, 2 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with all you've said Gobby. fr33kman talk 19:02, 2 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I think we should certainly re-try a WikiCup at some stage, but simplify it quite a lot! It was too complex I think to be a success last time. Back on topic, I think we could give credit a go, but if we do we should toughen up slightly and say that you have to actually have contributed somewhat to the article - and somewhat isn't just a tweak here or there, removing a tag etc. If the article is already in a good state, it should be expanding the article. If the article isn't good then it's self explanatory ;). Another suggestion that Shappy made on IRC was to make an edit notice for the suggestions page, outlining the rules and, importantly, the "leave two lines" notice to avoid the need for the hidden comments. Regards, Goblin 19:09, 2 July 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Kennedy![reply]
Giving credit depends on how we do it. We can devalue the credit and simply let whom ever finds a hook that is approved regardless of edits made to the article; or we can require a contribution to the article and make them a bit more on par with GA and VGA credits. Personally, I consider a DYK credit to be significantly lower level of credit than GA or VGA. If we devalue them then we'd also need to expand the Triple Crown to perhaps require 5 or 10 DYK credits to be awarded the crown. fr33kman talk 19:20, 2 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I would personally go for the option of requiring a contribution, because ultimately it will give better quality articles (imo). Giving credit for just finding and nominating, especially bad ones that are then fixed by others, isn't "right" imo, and also then means that potentially the ones doing all the work never get "real" credit - especially if they don't nominate hooks. Anyone else got any thoughts? Goblin 19:22, 2 July 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Kennedy! PS: Come on IRC[reply]
I've about 25 DYK noms? So that is equal to what? 3 GAs? Pmlineditor 16:51, 4 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Toolserveraccount

Hello Bluegoblin7,
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 Done, for the record. Goblin 18:21, 9 July 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Kennedy![reply]

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Yotcmdr =talk to the commander= 08:23, 6 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yot, you know this is an epic fail right? I mean, typos? Bad grammar? Deary me... ;) XD Goblin 18:24, 9 July 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Kennedy![reply]

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Nice to find you here — Preceding unsigned comment added by DNA (talk • contribs)

And you :). Goblin 14:32, 13 July 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Kennedy![reply]

Reconfirmation

Hi Gobby. In the interests of openness and fairness, since you have put NVS up for a reconfirmation, I think now is the time for you to put yourself up for an RFA. This way both of you are going through the same (similar) process at the same time and I think would be fairer to both of you. Cheers fr33kman talk 16:20, 13 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It's just a suggestion, not a demand. :) fr33kman talk 16:21, 13 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
*shrugs* I've been offered some noms in a few weeks, not sure if it would be better to wait for them or not. And to be fair, i'm not that fussed about admin rights - my actions of the past few days have mainly been to try and make things fair and so that they do not happen again, not to try and get my adminz back ;). I can still be an active member of the community (and trusted, for that matter) without the adminz ;). I'll give it some thought and see if anyone else jumps in. Regards, Goblin 17:30, 13 July 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Chennywoos![reply]
  • My thoughts: Both at the same time. Per user one vote on both adminships. The users with the better result get the flag (back or resign). Ther other have to wait for the next adminship at least 3 months. (and both write their own nomination) Barras (talk) 17:37, 13 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

NVS's desysop

I don't think it was a good idea to revert a closure by a good-faith admin. As the nominator of the request for de-adminship, you have a conflict of interest. Let it be. Meetare Shappy Cunkelfratz! 20:16, 13 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I do. As does at least one other user. Here's my reasons (again)
  1. Barras is not a 'crat. We gave the 'crats that powah.
  2. It's not even run for 24 hours yet, nor has NVS commented.
  3. I'm gathering further evidence.
  4. Consensus could change.
  5. It's an RfdA and should therefore run it's course.
I'm not going to undo, as that would be Edit Warring. I'm merely going to comment on AN and go open a couple more, unless you decide to revert. Oh look! I already have one open. *Presses "Save"*. Goblin 20:21, 13 July 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Kennedy![reply]
  • I think that it should have run for 24 hours at least. This closure has now prevented other editors who are at work or asleep from commenting. We don't know what they would have said, we now never will. Also, if the nominator is gathering more evidence, it is a valid rason to keep it open and let a crat close it if they wish. I will take no action myself regarding this closure. fr33kman talk 20:24, 13 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • The Rfda concerned should have been left for at least 24 hours, that is a fair and reasonable request thus I have reverted the closure accordingly. Letting it run longer will also provide a clearer outcome and will leave no questions unanswered about what "could have been". Cheers, Promethean (talk) 20:29, 13 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ok

I forgot that..I tagged it-- Deoxyribonucleic Acid( [+]) 15:43, 13 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No worries :). If you need help, just shout. Goblin 15:45, 13 July 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Kennedy![reply]

Vandals are roaming here also !-- Deoxyribonucleic Acid( [+]) 15:47, 13 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yup, we're getting more and more recently, though on some days it is quiet... Goblin 15:48, 13 July 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Yotty![reply]
BTW who's Yotty and Kennedy?...Don't feel bad if it hurts! Good to cross 8000 Edits-- Deoxyribonucleic Acid ( [+] ) 15:50, 13 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
They're both other users, User:Kennedy and User:Yotcmdr. Goblin 15:53, 13 July 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Yotty![reply]
Don't get the second part of your comment...? Goblin 15:54, 13 July 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Shappy![reply]

Which second part (the plus sign?)-- Deoxyribonucleic Acid ( [+] ) 16:05, 13 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"...Don't feel bad if it hurts! Good to cross 8000 Edits" <-- That bit. Goblin 16:05, 13 July 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Yotty![reply]
Made a rude joke ;-) compliments for those massive 8000 edits. Which country do you belong to ...Britain?-- Deoxyribonucleic Acid ([1]) 16:10, 13 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, kk. Thanks. Yup, i'm in the UK. Goblin 14:53, 14 July 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Kennedy![reply]

Desysop policy

Hi there! There is something I need to know. I would really appreciate it if you can help me to know it! What I wanna know is: There is any policy which allows active members to desysop those who are not active for six months/years? Kindly I need to know about it cause in our Wikipedia, there's so many peoples who are not active for almost couple years now. That's all. Cheers.--Mwanaharakati(Longa) 09:59, 14 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Muddyb,
There is no actual WMF for the de-sysopping of users. As a wiki, we have decided that we will desysop users that have been inactive for one year. Hope this clears things up. Regards, Goblin 10:00, 14 July 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Kennedy![reply]
Okay. That as you and your community, isn't it. So, do you know any page at there on Meta which shows the rules/policies of desysoping those who are not active? Or it is only local community can decide on it?--Mwanaharakati(Longa) 10:07, 14 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
As I mentioned, it can only be done by the community. There is no Meta (WMF = Wikimedia Foundation) policy. Regards, Goblin 10:09, 14 July 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Kennedy![reply]
Thaks for your kindness. I'll see you again!!! Cheers.--Mwanaharakati(Longa) 10:22, 14 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
No worries at all! if you need more help, just drop me a line. Goblin 14:54, 14 July 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Yotty![reply]

Yes

I will add more to them....no need of stabing-- Deoxyribonucleic Acid 14:51, 14 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No worries! I wasn't asking you to expand them (though if you do it would be very good!), more that you add the {{stub}} tag, because that way other editors can identify them as stubs easily and expand them. Keep up the good work. Regards, Goblin 14:53, 14 July 2009 (UTC) I ♥ GoblinBots! And how was I stabing...?!?![reply]


Bot

So, there's consensus at simple talk to start changing See also -> Other pages. So, if you could modify one of your bots to do that? It would help a lot. Thanks. Exert 15:50, 15 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No worries,  Doing.... Goblin 17:34, 15 July 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Yotty![reply]
Thanks :) Exert 19:40, 15 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
No problems. It's on "J" as we speak, for some reason my edit throttle broke, so it's just plummeting through them - there's probably about 1.5k done so far, out of I-don't-know-how-many. Regards, Goblin 19:41, 15 July 2009 (UTC) I ♥ GoblinBots![reply]
I think it's now  Done, but the Toolserver login server is down and so I can't check. Will get back to you when it's up. Regards, Goblin 09:22, 16 July 2009 (UTC) I ♥ GoblinBots![reply]

Interactions ...

with Analysis Retentivus (talk · contribs). Goblin, I understand that you may be feeling frustrated and put upon by this user and their assertions. Please lower your tone when dealing with them. A calmer approach that focuses soley on the facts and not the person is more effective in resolving disputes than is emotional language, no matter how justified you personally fell. Thank you. fr33kman talk 21:11, 15 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Meh. This is me not caring. Per what I said on IRC, i've got nothing else to lose at the moment ;). Goblin 09:23, 16 July 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Kennedy![reply]

Bot comment

I would think this comment was added in the wrong section. Am I right? — RyanCross (talk) 10:18, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Nope, per the above request I botted the change across the whole wiki late last night (UTC). I believe it was done in the small hours, but cannot yet check. Goblin 10:20, 16 July 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Shappy![reply]
Ah I see, read it wrong. Indenting can be confusing sometimes... — RyanCross (talk) 10:23, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
No worries :). Might have made more sense if I had put it below the previous bot comment ;). Regards, Goblin 10:24, 16 July 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Shappy![reply]
What also confused me was that there was a section about bots below and above the section you added the comment to (one was titled "Wikipedia:Bots" and the other was "GoblinBot4")... How strange... — RyanCross (talk) 10:36, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Lol - I should be more clear in future ;). Anyway, apparently it's  Not done, as I just checked now the TS has come up and it's found some more. Regards, Goblin 10:42, 16 July 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Yotty![reply]

New user on DYK

Please do not revert that edit without discussion on the administrators noticeboard. It is likely a sock due to the editing nature. Thanks, NonvocalScream (talk) 11:26, 20 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Please don't revert me. It should be left in the neutral form. If you think it's a sock, block it and get a CU, or just remove it. Don't revert me without discussion on the administrator's noticeboard. (And i'm 100% sure we agreed to keep off each other's talks and to avoid each other.) Goblin 11:27, 20 July 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Nifky![reply]
Firstly, I never told you (I don't think) to keep off my talk. I won't block it until I see further edits. I still have to communicate, most especially if you are going to be reverting administrative notes. Best, NonvocalScream (talk) 11:29, 20 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
If you have an issue with it, just remove it from the page. We agreed that there was nothing to stop users or IPs from commenting or nominating as a first edit. Furthermore, the comment should not be striked by anyone but that user. I'm not going to revert, but at the very least remove the comment entirely or remove the strike. Goblin 11:30, 20 July 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Chenzw![reply]
I leave the comment so that others can still see it. I won't remove the edit from the page because normally we only strike comments from accounts whom we suspect. It also allows my action to be reviewed. Transparency is key. NonvocalScream (talk) 11:32, 20 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • BG7, NVS, cool down. I agree with NVS on this matter, suspected "vote only" accounts with no contributions to the mainspace should have their votes declared null and be kept on close watch if it is a sock. Also, I feel that you both should have no reason to avoid contact. It is the lack of communication that causes abrasion. Thanks. =)-- Tdxiang 11:33, 20 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    Fairynuff, I was actually about to remove that nomination as a clear No anyway, thoughts? Scream, can I please send you an email to try and clear things up - primarily email as I am going to include things that I don't want making public. Goblin 11:34, 20 July 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Nifky![reply]

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GoblinBot3 (talk) 12:02, 21 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Seventh Brother

The creator is a long term vandal who has made this page on multiple language Wikipedias and should not be allowed to edit at all. I've requested that the article be deleted from every single project it was added on. Bambifan101 should not be allowed to edit Wikipedia, whether it's English, Simple English, Russian, or Turkish.Ryulong (talk) 12:17, 21 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm fully aware of that fact, but we do not have a speedy deletion criteria for deleting articles by banned users. This article is perfectly legitimate, and has been edited by other Simple English users. If you want it's deletion, go and request deletion. Best, Goblin 12:20, 21 July 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Kennedy![reply]
I don't know how your project does this stuff. All I know is that it should be deleted from every project.Ryulong (talk) 12:23, 21 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Give your reasons and file an RfD, as I said above. But it is very unlikely to succeed, this article is perfectly welcome in this Encyclopedia. Goblin 12:24, 21 July 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Chenzw![reply]
It should not be welcome in any Wikipedia and I'm getting it deleted at every project it's been put on. There's no page for it at the standard English Wikipedia. Why should the Simple English Wikipedia host it?Ryulong (talk) 12:27, 21 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
What are your reasons? It has a place here, it's perfectly notable, and we are not connected with EnWiki - just because they don't have something, doesn't mean we can't. Just drop it :). Goblin 12:28, 21 July 2009 (UTC) I ♥ GoblinBots![reply]

Your re-RFA

I'm sorry to inform you that your re-RFA didn't reach the required community consensus for your promotion back to admin. Still, at least you now have more time to focus on making great articles which, take it from me, you're very good at. If you wish to discuss my decision further then don't hesitate to ping me. Otherwise, keep up the great work, take on-board the comments you received during the RFA and consider trying again sometime in the future. All the best. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:25, 21 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Heh, no worries at all. As I mentioned in my email, I couldn't care less about the outcome ;). But yes, I have more article writing time now - and thanks for the words :). Goblin 18:55, 21 July 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Yotty![reply]

My RfB

No special nominator thankyou?!?! ;) :P. Once again, congratumalations, I have every faith you will be the best a good 'crat. Stricken so as not to offend any other 'crats Goblin 19:32, 21 July 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Nifky![reply]

Hey

Can you pl. explain how your time' signatur works...--Deoxyribonucleic (talk) 18:14, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I type ~~~ and it magically appears. Goblin 18:15, 22 July 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Pmlinediter![reply]
Come Tell me the mystery..I do not know that much of wiki line up :<--Deoxyribonucleic (talk) 18:18, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know anymore than that. I type that and it happens. I don't know wiki line up either. Goblin 18:19, 22 July 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Yotty![reply]
Well I will be pirating your sig page into mine.....and mono.css--Deoxyribonucleic (talk) 18:21, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Err, great I guess. Just make it GFDL/CC-by-SA compliant. Goblin 18:22, 22 July 2009 (UTC) I ♥ GoblinBots![reply]
Sorry Gobby; "By saving, you agree to irrevocably release your contribution under the Creative Commons Attribution/Share-Alike License 3.0 and the GFDL. You agree to be credited by re-users, at minimum, through a hyperlink or URL to the page you are contributing to. See the Terms of Use for details." :-P Code get's pinched! Lol :) fr33kman talk 18:25, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
:P. That's why I said make sure he copies it in a compliant way, i.e with a hyperlink or URL ;). I'm not a big fan of this re-license... but the CC is waaaaay better than the GFDL so i'm living with it. <cough>Blinds!</cough> Goblin 18:27, 22 July 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Chenzw![reply]
Lol its a good task...my comp got hanged up by find and replace.....Not tying it again.???--Deoxyribonucleic (talk) 18:27, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Btw your monobook is not licensed !!!--Deoxyribonucleic (talk) 18:29, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
zOMG cut down on the :s. And everything on the wiki is licensed... Goblin 18:30, 22 July 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Fr33kman![reply]
Happy new day...here its 12:00 AM 23 jul !--Deoxyribonucleic (talk) 18:33, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

<--reset Err... great? Goblin 18:34, 22 July 2009 (UTC) I ♥ GoblinBots![reply]

Sorry for redirect--Deoxyribonucleic (talk) 18:47, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted Article

Dear Bluegoblin7, I was starting to write an article about Victor Arbogast, and had a family tragedy so I had to stop. I want to add sources now and find that you deleted my beginning sources stating "advertising". According to the "How to create a page" it states that the first thing to do is to list sources for my information. I want to enter Victor Arbogast, a living artist who created a 18' stainless steel monument commissioned by Greenpeace Int'l; sculpture selected for exhibition at the U.S. Embassy in Muscat, Oman; artwork part of a collection at the Huntington Museum of Art; Sterling Winthrop; Kaiser Hospital of Redwood City, CA; and numerous academic exhibitions. Victor Arbogast is a innovative and significant abstract artist who emerged from Silicon Valley. I want to create an article about him and his background. I would appreciate any helpful advise on getting started.Shizuye (talk) 19:45, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Gobby; I've offered to restore this to the user's userspace. Feel free to talk to them yourself, of course :) fr33kman talk 04:16, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Shizuye, I deleted your article as it did not seem to meet our notability guidelines, nor state any reliable sources. There were just two weblinks and therefore it can very easily look like spam. Fr33kman will restore the page into your userspace if you wish, and you can work on it there before moving it into the mainspace. I hope that this clears things up, and if you need any more help don't hesistate to contact me. You may want to look at some of our good and very good articles for an idea of how your article should be. Welcome to Wikipedia! Goblin 10:10, 23 July 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Shappy![reply]

Olives

BG,

I note that we have been failing to collaborate as of late. You contribute much to this project and those volunteer hours you donate are valued. Remember, that if I disagree with you on a particular subject or discussion, it is not you that I'm disagreeable to. It is the subject at hand. I've my own opinions. There will be some things I'm willing to compromise my opinion on, and there will be some things I think I might be firm. I think the most important thing to remember that in the consensus building process, we are equals. My opinion is no stronger than yours. I hope that we can work on this. I look forward to working with you in the future on this project. Kindly, NonvocalScream (talk) 16:44, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Scream, I agree that we have been failing to collaborate, and you too are a very valuable member of the project. I understand completely what you are saying, and I also have my own problems - though not really being a words person i'm not really sure how to say them... I think we need a way to try and build up trust in each other again (perhaps) and to try and get on well and collaborate together. I don't know how we could do this, but certainly a start would possibly be to simply try and AGF with each other and remain cool, and check and double check what we write (this is probably aimed more than me than you, and I don't mean it to be insulting or patronising - as I said, i'm not the best with words). Perhaps we could collaborate on an article together? I don't know. Anyway, let this be a new page in the book :D. Regards, Goblin 16:51, 23 July 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Nifky![reply]
Then I pledge on my name, I will do these things. NonvocalScream (talk) 16:53, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Are you sure? I don't want to push you in to anything, it's only my thoughts and you're welcome to make your own suggestions... but likewise, I pledge on my name also. Goblin 16:55, 23 July 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Kennedy![reply]

Vandalism

You have been talk page killed. XD Pmlineditor 11:53, 25 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

reversion

I had already moved these to the queue. I don't understand. NonvocalScream (talk) 17:19, 26 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hey Scream, per this discussion it was agreed that hooks needed to be on the nominations page for a minimum of three days before they were moved, to allow everyone time to look over them. Three of the hooks that you moved had been on the page for less than a day. Hope this clears things up. Regards, Goblin 17:21, 26 July 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Nifky![reply]
I see. This process needs a consolidated instruction page. :) I'm sorry, I had been asked on IRC to update the queue. I'll pay better attention to timing. NonvocalScream (talk) 17:22, 26 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I thought you'll move Buxton; it is older than 3 days. :) Pmlineditor 17:24, 26 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
(change conflict) Yes, it probably does all need re-writing and making clearer - it's all scattered all over the place and there are old remnants left! I think we should probably revive the above discussion! No worries at all, sorry if my reversion seemed off. Goblin 17:25, 26 July 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Chenzw![reply]
Well, I broke the process... so it was a good reversion. What helped was us talking about it here! Now... about that consolidated instruction set... :) BEst, NonvocalScream (talk) 17:26, 26 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
No worries :). Hehe, shall I knock something together later tonight once i've done some article work, or would you like to give it a shot? Goblin 17:35, 26 July 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Fr33kman![reply]
Either or, if I do it, someone will have to look it over. NonvocalScream (talk) 17:36, 26 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Likewise if I did it ;). Let's just see who gets round to it first. Regards, Goblin 17:37, 26 July 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Shappy![reply]

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You created this account, I would like to know what its purpose is. Exert 20:21, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

My guess is it's furr the lolz? --<font=Comic Sans MS>S3CR3T ♥s you! 20:25, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
If I remember right, it was just for fun. Also known as joke... The thing about what many peoples can laugh. Barras (talk) 20:37, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It's an IRC joke. Shappy talk 20:45, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for clarifying that, I didn't know what a joke was, and I'm always on IRC. Exert 21:46, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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