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Need administrator intervention[change source]

Good evening. I apologize for having to bring this up here, but I would ask for an administrator to intervene in the edit warring between Ipadguy and User: There is constant edit warring on the IP's talk page, and it's disruptive. I have attempted to intervene by providing Ipadguy pages to read about policy/guidelines, but it doesn't seem to have had any effect. Is there an administrator who can step in and help out here? --Lithorien (talk) 22:43, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

It's taken care of. Ipadguy has been indefinitely blocked per WP:ONESTRIKE. --Auntof6 (talk) 22:52, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

Apple Inc. trademark[change source]

I believe there is a problem with the following pages:

Both pages use the file named "Apple Computer Logo rainbow.svg" which is found on Commons. While the rules for Commons do not allow files to remain there if they violate copyright in the US, the image is tagged there as likely violating copyright in other jurisdictions, and is also tagged as likely being protected as a trademark. Indeed, the symbol for a registered trademark (circle around letter "R") is contained within the image, and it appears to me that US trademark registration 1114431 applies to the distinctive apple with a bite image (regardless of color). This means that the image in question is not totally free for any use.

Because WP:Image use policy does not cover this situation, and we don't seem to have a very definitive userbox policy here on Simple, I believe we should start by taking guidance from EnWiki on this issue. EnWiki requires that images in userboxes be completely free for use and disallows "fair use" images. (This is likely because "fair use" is a context-sensitive determination and the use of these images within user-space does not provide the necessary context.)

I feel that the image in question would be perfectly acceptable (under "fair use" concepts) in an article about Apple or its products or its marketing, but to use a registered trademark within userspace to express interest in the subject goes beyond the allowable purposes of using such images.

It really doesn't matter (to me) if the images are simply removed from the pages, or if the pages are deleted. In the case of the topicon page, removing the image completely guts the page since the entire purpose of the page is to create a template where a registered trademark of Apple, Inc. is placed at the top of any page it is transcluded onto, thus the page should probably be deleted completely. The second page -- the userbox -- could survive without the image. Personally, I think removing only the image would make sense if the editor was going to continue editing the encyclopedia, or if other users had transcluded the userbox. As of right now, nobody has done so and the user is indef-ed. Either way, I do not believe that it is proper to leave that trademarked image within userspace. Etamni | ✉   03:04, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

But there's no trademark infringement since neither Wikipedia nor the user in question is competing—nor attempting to compete—with Apple for customers. Nobody can possibly argue that that userpage is attempting to confuse people or misrepresent itself. It says "Apple, Inc." right next to the logo, with a link, and simply expresses the user's interest in that subject. It's not attempting to sell anything. As for its copyright status, the only thing that matters is that it's free to use in the U.S. and in the place of original publication (which is also the U.S.). Osiris (talk) 11:58, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
There may be trademark infringement anyway. Apple can maintain that use of the logo suggests a company-authorized link, where no such authorization exists. And if there is trademark infringement possible in the U.S., it's not really free to use. I think this has to go.
When I first created my enwiki user page, I was told categorically that trademarks could not be used without permission, period. StevenJ81 (talk) 22:41, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
What does that matter though? That has nothing to do trademark law. The words "Apple, Inc." are protected as a trademark just as much as the logo. No plaintiff can argue that the logo is an infringement but the words are somehow not. It's not being used for advertising another product, and it's not likely to confuse consumers into buying something else. This is an entirely non-commercial, nominative use, which is protected in the U.S. by a constitutional right to free speech.
The English Wikipedia is free to make up its own mind. But if you were indeed told that trademarked images require permission to use them on a Wikipedia user page, then you were misinformed. Their guideline on the use of logos has a section dealing with trademarked logos, as does this information page and this essay, and the use of trademarks in general is explained on the site's general disclaimer. Osiris (talk) 09:18, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protection of List of U.S. state slogans[change source]

Could someone please protect this page? Lots of vandalism from IPs. //nepaxt 19:54, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

 Done Only (talk) 20:46, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

World Wrestling Entertainment roster again[change source]

The situation on this article needs to stop. I reverted another one of KO Asylum's edits which removed cited sources. I note that this has happened at least two other times, since the removal of sources issued has been mentioned on his user talk by two other editors already. The current flood of revisions on the article and Template:WWE personnel is making it difficult for other editors to review his edits. Doesn't help that there are no edit summaries, and no communication with other editors either. I really would like to believe that he is helping to update the article, but his current approach to editing is causing problems. I ask that either a full protection or a temporary block be implemented. Chenzw  Talk  08:05, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

I apologize for the consistent short edits and the two cited sources being removed as I felt they were a bit outdated, but if you feel the sources are needed until an updated version is to occur, I understand. I've had a problem with not adding a summary to an edit I've made, but that will change from this point on with now I see it as a disturbance to other editors. I have made communication in the past and responded when need being and I understand I have to be more open in the future. To make my point, my goal is to help by updating the article and I'm willing to make a step into keeping any edits I make less occurring on a daily basis so I ask there be no need for a higher protection or a temporary block on my behalf as I'm more open to communicating with you going forward. KO Asylum (talk) 08:40, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

How is this source outdated? It was published just yesterday, and the tweet dated 25 January 2016. Chenzw  Talk  08:48, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

I went with the assumption there would be an updated version to that particular source, but I realize from now on to wait until it comes out. KO Asylum (talk) 09:10, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

Pakistan editor[change source]

Looks like the Pakistan editor is back, editing as J991 17:51, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

How can you tell, given that that IP has made only one edit? --Auntof6 (talk) 17:56, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
Well, um, there's no proof; you should wait and see if it makes more Pakistan edits. J991 18:18, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
Well, I think this is really premature. One questionable edit isn't enough to draw that conclusion. --Auntof6 (talk) 18:38, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
That editor does not seem to be the particular Pakistan editor we have always been troubled with, but rather en:Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Najaf ali bhayo/Archive. He was involved in move warring on Arina language last year. I have semi-protected the affected article to stop this. Chenzw  Talk  02:21, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

Chinese ethnocentrism, sexism[change source]

"Shi Tianze was a Han Chinese who lived in the Jin dynasty. Interethnic marriage between Han and Jurchen became common at this time. His father was Shi Bingzhi (史秉直, Shih Ping-chih). Shi Bingzhi was married to a Jurchen woman (surname Na-ho) and a Han Chinese woman (surname Chang); it is unknown which of them was Shi Tianze's mother.[30] Shi Tianze was married to two Jurchen women, a Han Chinese woman, and a Korean woman, and his son Shi Gang was born to one of his Jurchen wives.[31] The surnames of his Jurchen wives were Mo-nien and Na-ho; the surname of his Korean wife was Li; and the surname of his Han Chinese wife was Shi." was in the section under Yuan Dynasty. This has nothing to do with the Mongolian Yuan Dynasty and is a clear example of Han Chinese chauvinism and sexism. This is inappropriate for Wikipedia.

Similiarly sneaky Chinese nationalistic chauvinism exists in the article for "Shi Tianze": "Shi Tianze was a Han Chinese who lived in the Jurchen Jin dynasty. Interethnic marriage between Han and Jurchen became common at this time. His father was Shi Bingzhi (Shih Ping-chih) 史秉直. Shi Bingzhi was married to a Jurchen woman (surname Na-ho) and a Han Chinese woman (surname Chang), it is unknown which of them was Shi Tianze's mother.[1] Shi Tianze was married to two Jurchen women, a Han Chinese woman, and a Korean woman, and his son Shi Gang was born to one of his Jurchen wives.[2] His Jurchen wive's surnames were Mo-nien and Na-ho, his Korean wife's surname was Li.." PLEASE ERASE THESE PASSAGES! —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 18:26, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

That information is not on this project, but it does appear to be at en:Yuan dynasty#Rise of Kublai Khan, starting at the third paragraph, and en:Shi Tianze. Please address your concerns on the talk pages for those articles, rather than here. Thank you.   — Jeff G. ツ 19:13, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

Persistent vandalism at Knights of the round table[change source]

After being stable for some time, the article Knights of the round table has been repeatedly vandalized since mid-January, by different IP users (who geolocate to different places). Many of the regulars here have reverted vandalism on that page at least once these past few weeks. Based on this, I would like to suggest that the article be semi-protected for an appropriate period of time so as to discourage anonymous IP vandalism and allow the article to become stable again. Etamni | ✉   16:52, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

There hasn't been enough vandalism to warrant protection. We do that kind of protection when there's so much vandalism that it's hard to keep up with. The edit history shows no more than a few incidents per day, and most are being reverted pretty quickly. There are 14 people watching the page, which helps. Feel free to watch the page yourself, too! --Auntof6 (talk) 17:18, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
It's been on my watchlist since the first time I reverted vandalism there. :) Etamni | ✉   02:27, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
I have semi-protected the article, for a month. 9 reversions in 3 weeks is on the brink of getting a nuisance.Editors are often more motivated, if they can contitibute/improve the content here. Creating an account and getting autoconfirmed is relatively sipmle. Note alos, that we had a similar problem in autum, where the page was also semi-protected. --Eptalon (talk) 08:27, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

Ban proposal for User:DupieSuper Withdrawn[change source]

I believe that EN:WP:NOTHERE applies. 100% of this user's article edits have been non-helpful. Although often not warned for the behavior, there has not been a single edit by this editor (outside of the user's own userspace) which has not been reverted. The edits below started in May of 2015; the most recent was about an hour ago.

FIFA[change source]

  • [1] Added hoax info to FIFA about fake soccer players, tagged edit as minor
  • [2] Edited hoax info about fake soccer players
  • [3] Changed info about FIFA; changed word "six" to "sex" and incremented various numbers by 1

Global warming[change source]

  • [4] Page blanking, changed global warming article to read "We must stop global warming now!! Save the JUSTIN'S!!!!!!!!!!!!"; tagged as minor
  • [5] Reverted the above edit and replaced global warming article with content from somewhere else; tagged edit as minor

Canada and the US[change source]

  • [6] Added "This just in! Canada has a new co-op duo for prime minister they are Erik Panariti and Eric Xu. WAR IS NEAR!!!!!!!!!"; tagged edit as minor
  • [7] Added "AMERICANS ARE FUCKING DICKHEADS!!!!!"; tagged as minor
  • [8] Changed Justin Trudeau birth year from 1971 to 1970 (For those who don't know, Justin Trudeau is Prime Minister of Canada; his birthdate is well documented as being in 1971).

I think the user's userpage sums it up: the user is not here to build an encyclopedia. Etamni | ✉   03:03, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

Discussion[change source]

  • Oppose. This is nowhere near needing a ban. The user's edits are too few (only 10, including two on his/her own user pages) and spaced too far apart for a ban to be appropriate. The edits listed above are all the edits the user has ever made except for the user ones. I'm not sure this is even enough for indefinite blocking as a vandalism-only account, but that would be a first step before banning. I think Etamni needs to understand the processes better before making this kind of proposal. Besides that, the appropriate place for a ban discussion is Simple talk, not here. --Auntof6 (talk) 03:24, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
If needed, this can be interpreted as requesting an indef-block for a vandalism-only account. While there may be technical differences between the two statuses, the result is the same: The account stops being used for vandalism. As to posting this here instead of at WP:ST, that choice was informed by the now-closed discussion of a ban for Krett12, which was discussed on this page and, as of this moment, has not been archived yet. Etamni | ✉   03:32, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
And it was acknowledged in that previous discussion that this page was not the correct place for a ban discussion. There is a big difference between a ban and a block: a ban takes a community discussion, the other is an admin action. Not only does a ban discussion take up the community's time to decide, it takes up community time if the user ever wants to reform and get back the ability to edit. This user has never even had a block and a ban would be inappropriate. I ask you to withdraw this proposal and instead ask for a block at WP:VIP. --Auntof6 (talk) 03:40, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
  • Withdrawn per the above. Etamni | ✉   03:44, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
    • Looks like I came here a bit too late. I just wanted to mention that it's these users who drag their vandalism out over a long period of time, that we actually need to be wary of. I don't think this particular editor has any intention of contributing constructively. {{uw-longterm}} comes to mind. Etamni, please report at WP:VIP the next time this editor vandalises. Chenzw  Talk  16:01, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
If I happen to see it, I will. The user was never previously final warned, so it looks like we have to wait for more vandalism from the user before we can act. The userpage is on my watchlist now, so any warning at any level issued by any editor or bot will be noticed. Etamni | ✉   17:37, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

Protect Fox[change source]

Excessive vandalisim. --忍者ポップ (talk) 07:46, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

Protected for 24 hours.--Peterdownunder (talk) 08:52, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

Protect User talk: and change block[change source]

Excessive vandalism and talk page. --忍者ポップ (talk) 14:27, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

@忍者ポップ: I have blocked the IP from editing his own user talk page. Next time, please refrain from the excessive warnings. I see 7 "final warnings" on the talk page, all 7 issued within 30 minutes. Also, what's with this? Uw-huggle5, 6? Excessive use of "final" warnings undermines the finality of {{uw-vandalism4}}. Chenzw  Talk  15:40, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

Access in Cuba[change source]

We recently travelled to Cuba and met a guide who is very interested in accessing Wikipedia. He cannot do so (as far as he knows) in his country. He has asked if we can help him either access the website or download a current version to send to him so that he can use it to improve his English speaking and writing. Can you suggest a way for us to help him?

Thank you.


@GGJensen: this particular Wikipedia probably will not be able to help you with this, but the main English Wikipedia has a team that is working on making an offline release of Wikipedia. You can try downloading it here, or ask around on the Village Pump. Chenzw  Talk  02:51, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

Import Help[change source]

Howdy. I was wondering if one of you would be able to import en:Scott Kelly (astronaut) for me, into a user subpage. I've been looking for a new pet project and this seems like a topical page we could have, so I'd like to get to work simplifying and adding to it where I can. Would appreciate that. --Gordonrox24 | Talk 03:10, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

It's at User:Gordonrox24/Scott Kelly (astronaut). It's been a while since I've imported to userspace and the interface has changed a bit, so I only did the latest revision -- I was a little worried I was going to overwrite your userpage. Do you want the rest of the revision history, now that I know it works how I want it to? Osiris (talk) 03:29, 6 February 2016 (UTC)
I'm fine with having only the most current revision, that should work just fine. Thanks! --Gordonrox24 | Talk 03:34, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

Import Request[change source]

Would an admin please import en:iPad Pro to the Simple Wikipedia? i can simplify it afterwards. Thanks! -- numbermaniac (talk) 00:46, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

I have imported it to User:numbermaniac/IPad Pro. When you are ready for it to go to mainspace, you can put it there manually, or ask an admin to move it for you. --Auntof6 (talk) 01:54, 11 February 2016 (UTC)