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[upcoming deployment] Growth team features[change source]

Hello!

I'm Trizek (WMF). I work as a community relations specialist for the Wikimedia Foundation. I'm here to share a message from the Growth team.

As you may already know, the Growth team's goal is to create features that would help newcomers. Our goal is to help newcomers when they edit for the first time and also to increase the retention of new editors. Several wikis already have these features since a long time now. Working with these wikis, the Growth team found evidence of the efficiency of these new features.

These features will be available for all new accounts on your Wikipedia starting on April 7. This way your Wikipedia will offer more options for newcomers to make good first edits and become community members.

Which features?[change source]

The newcomer homepage (displayed using Czech language)

We have created several features to help them, and also to help community members who help them :

  • Newcomer homepage: a new special page, the best place for a newcomer to get started. It includes:
    • Newcomer tasks: a feed of task suggestions that help newcomers learn to edit. Newcomers have been making productive edits through this feed! Know more about this tool.
    • [optional] Mentorship module: each newcomers has a direct link to an experienced user (see below). This way, they can ask questions about editing Wikipedia, less the need to find where to ask for assistance.
    • Impact module: the user sees how many pages views articles they edit received. Have a look at Special:Impact for yours!
  • Help panel: a platform to provide resources to newcomers while they are editing. If they do some suggested tasks, they are guided step-by-step on the process of editing.
  • Welcome Survey: communities can know why newcomers create an account on Wikipedia.

The features available right now in your preferences (here and there) so that you can try them. They are not yet visible to newcomers.

How to help?[change source]

I need your help checking on the configuration the team setups as default. Please try the features and let us know if something questions you.

Newcomers tasks are based on templates to suggest edits to newcomers. You can check the templates used on MediaWiki:NewcomerTasks.json. You can also change the templates and the help links defined there. Several templates can be added for the same task.

It you are familiar with Phabricator, here is the ticket with all the information we used for the deployment. Please have a look at it. You can suggest changes by replying to this message.

If you wish to, you can create a list of mentors. This will activate the optional Mentorship module. Please format the list following the guidance. You need at least one mentor for each 500 new accounts created monthly on your wiki (3 mentors minimum). Are you hesitant to become a mentor? Please check the resources we have written based on other mentors' experiences. Please tell us if you are interested by creating a mentor list!

Let me know if you have any question about this deployment. Of course, please move or share this message if needed.

Thank you, Trizek (WMF) (talk) 16:10, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

En Wiki DYK[change source]

Pretty funny, I gotta say. Dingothegorg 14:38, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

Action: Change the languages on the Log in page[change source]

In December and January we had a discussion about Proposal: Change the languages on the Log in page. There was a pretty clear consensus to change, with some details of exactly which languages to include. Then, it dropped of the Simple Talk page. Probably just an automated time limit thing? Anyway, the hold up seemed to be that very few people have the permissions to make the change. I would help out of I could, but I can't. Can this be put in place? Thanks, --Gotanda (talk) 05:41, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

The change is easy and can be done in a second. The deciding on the languages is the hard part as Chenzw mentions near the end of that discussion there is no consensus on which languages to include. -Djsasso (talk) 11:03, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
Gotanda's suggestions seemed fair to me, in my opinion. I agree the current languages are not ideal for a world audience. --IWI (talk) 11:04, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
I agree with Gotanda's list at the end. I think the most important languages are English, French, Spanish, Chinese, Arabic, Russian, and Hindi. Naddruf (talk) 02:07, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
Chinese Traditional or Simplified? I'm assuming by Chinese it means Mandarin? --Tsugaru Let's Talk! :) 🍁 02:10, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
I don't know about Traditional or Simplified, but aren't the different varieties of Chinese written the same? Naddruf (talk) 03:14, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
I'm not too sure, I would imagine they would be very similar. I can only speak Cantonese, but listening to Mandrain is way different than Cantonese. Just to give some contex, for Japanese Chinese characters (Kanji), they are read differently than regular Chinese, but have the same characters. Tsugaru Let's Talk! :) 🍁 01:31, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
The discussion stopped last time as the topic was moved / fell off Simple Talk into the archives. Over the past and current discussion, it seems we have a general consensus on this from many people, but つがる makes a good point about Chinese and we should probably include both to avoid prioritizing one over the other, so that gets us to something like this:
عربى | 中文 (正體字) (简化字) | English | español | français | हिन्दी | Indonesian | русский | Swahili.
Is that OK to go ahead with? Or, anything else to be changed? Thanks all. It's just a login page. People may login on another wiki. But for first time visitors, I think something like this shows a more welcoming face than Esperanto etc.--Gotanda (talk) 02:30, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
@Gotanda: I support the above suggestion. --IWI (talk) 16:32, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
Support The above is good. --Belwine (talk) 16:35, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
I have to ask why Indonesian? That does not seem like its on the same level as the others and seems to put an over emphasis on that region by having four asian-based languages (five if you count russia)? Seems like it puts us in the opposite problem of being too asia centric instead of too euro centric. English, Spanish and French while starting in Europe are the main languages for countries around the world not just Europe whereas I can't say the same for Indonesian. I would probably drop both Indonesian and Russian. -Djsasso (talk) 11:31, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

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I happen to agree with Djsasso --Tsugaru Let's Talk! :) 🍁 00:59, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

With just under 200 million speakers and then with roughly mutual intelligibility for most Malaysians for this purpose that makes about 230 million. Four European languages (English, Spanish, French, and Russian) and three/four Asian (Chinese (two scripts) Hindi, Indonesian) seemed not out of line. Africa is relatively lightly represented with Swahili and to some extent Arabic but is also covered by the colonial languages. That was the thinking there. If it has to go, it has to go. If it stays, I guess it should also be localized to Bahasa Indonesia. Too bad this conversation stopped when it was pulled off Simple Talk in the first place. My priority for this proposal was to make the login more inclusive and get rid of the current design which seems more than a little odd and doesn't represent us well. --Gotanda (talk) 05:19, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
Personally, I would never be without German, which is one of the two most important languages of science & technology, and is almost the lingua franca of east and central Europe. Don't forget that Arabic covers north Africa pretty well, while none of the native African languages do the job at all well. English (and sometimes Arabic) is the lingua franca of countries below the the northern coast. The argument against such languages as Malaysian is that they have no reach, and virtually no international use. You can't judge these things by population of the country of origin alone. Hindi is probably a better international language than Mandarin. Macdonald-ross (talk) 06:41, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
Excuse me for coming in a second time. I think we should do more than I suggested above. We should consider listing each language in English, not in its own script and language. Many will not know that Cymraeg is Welsh, that Gaeilge is Irish, Scots is just a dialect of English, that Ido is goodness what, but not a regular language, that the oriental script is not just Chinese, but Mandarin... and so on. Not only should we cut out some of the nonsense, but list properly in English the links to the world's greatest languages. If that language uses a different script then that can be added in brackets. There really is no upside to listing in scripts which most of out readers cannot decode. Improving the usability of this side-list is important. Macdonald-ross (talk) 07:32, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
If you mean the interwiki links, they are written in their own language so that people who actually can read those languages can find the link to the language they understand. It is important they are in their own language to help users that actually need those languages and can't read English and for some reason ended up on our pages. People who can't understand those languages probably don't need to know what they are links too because they won't go there anyway. -Djsasso (talk) 11:10, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
Macdonald-ross makes a good point as well. How many speakers in a given country is somewhat irrelevant if the languages have little to no reach beyond their own borders which is why I suggested on going with the lingua franca from the countries our stats say our visitors are coming from because those choices would actually be helpful to our readers as opposed to just looking like we are trying to be broad based. As for why the login page is the way it is, what we have is just the default languages from the WMF, they were not chosen specifically for simple. Not sure why they are what the WMF chose for the default but they are. Esperanto I assume is included because it is intended to be the cross-language language but other than that no idea. -Djsasso (talk) 11:04, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
I'm not sure I get that transborder reach is more important; having a very large number of speakers in just one or two countries is important enough. I would like to ask you to reconsider this, dj, "just looking like we are trying to be broad based." I have not proposed this for appearances sake. We should be broad based. I think that the languages presented at the login matter. And, that a better selection makes the site more welcoming, more accessible, and more inline with larger Wikipedia goals. As far as number of visitors from country by IP goes, I think that is less useful for reasons I have already outlined in the previous discussion: one, country/ip address does not equate to language of the user; two, just counting the current users is a feedback loop--it's a bit like looking for your dropped keys under lamp post. Making the login more immediately appealing to a greater variety of people may help us get beyond our current reach rather than just concentrating on it. There can be some changes around the edges of the list, but any of the proposed versions of that list would be better than what we have now. It can always be improved later. --Gotanda (talk) 09:00, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
I guess we will have to agree to disagree, I think it is substantially more important to be useful to the people actually using the site rather than just trying to look welcoming to people who may possibly come here. I think that is a detriment to the people who are actually coming here which could lead to the shrinking of our userbase due to not being as welcoming to them. This is where the appearances sake comes in, we are just trying to look welcoming for people who may or may not come here while actively being less welcoming to people who do actually come here. But yes, I think the language being transborder is important because it means more countries reached by that language, thus more of the world being covered by that language, rather than a small single country. -Djsasso (talk) 11:43, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

Does WP block non-reliable sources?[change source]

Trying to provide guidance to the active new User:Haoreima, I advised studying WP:Reliable. Our exchange of Talk page messages produced this:

User:Haoreima: "But one thing I know is that Wikipedia has already automatically blocked blogspot, WordPress, YouTube, Facebook links from entry in the Wikipedia pages..."
User:Deborahjay: "In my experience, no source is 'automatically blocked' - it's up to the contributor to avoid using these because they aren't reliable sources, except as, perhaps, in the section Other websites (called External links in the main English WP)."

I'd appreciate help in sorting this out. Perhaps my explanation could be improved. Cheers! -- Deborahjay (talk) 11:46, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

There's the Wikimedia-wide spam blacklist. Maybe that's what Haoreima was thinking of. --Auntof6 (talk) 12:04, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
I wasn't familiar with that (and it's rather massive!). A check of simple Blogspot, WordPress, YouTube, and Facebook doesn't show them excluded en bloc, only particular accounts within those platforms. Would that be a valid understanding? -- Deborahjay (talk) 12:40, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
I think so. I don't think YouTube, at least, is completely blacklisted; there are even templates for formatting links to it.
Aside from that, I don't know where the user got that information. They might just mean that they were told those sites aren't reliable resources. --Auntof6 (talk) 12:55, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
According to my experience, there are still some links present in the Wikipedia articles, like those of Facebook and YouTube. These are still there because they were added before the Wikipedia blacklisted them. But after the blacklisted timing (though I don't know exactly the date from which the system starts), none of them could be added in any Wikipedia article pages. Try yourself and see if Wikipedia still allows any blogspot links to be added.-- Haoreima (talk) 13:54, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
That Spam Blacklist on Meta-Wiki, like all Wiki pages, has a viewable edit history. It started on 10 December 2004 and was updated today. -- Deborahjay (talk) 14:04, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
We do have an edit filter that triggers, when a new user adds links to such sites. Look for the tag "added links to social media sites". I originally wrote the filter to detect articles that wee CV-like, and only had (a few) links to such sites. --Eptalon (talk) 06:42, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

No clue[change source]

Where can I start??? I don't know what iam doing I created a user page that's all I know so far. Dontknownoclue (talk) 03:36, 2 April 2021 (UTC) Can I get a list of red links to work on? Dontknownoclue (talk) 03:47, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

Here's a place to start: veteran User:Eptalon has placed a Welcome message on your User talk page. It includes a lot of suggestions with links to information on what to do and how to do it. You're making a good start already! -- Deborahjay (talk) 11:02, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

Proposal: Known LTA database[change source]

I would like to propose the above. It would help us identify similar editing styles and LTA socks. Derpdart56 (talk) 15:38, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

  • @Derpdart56: Could you describe it in more detail? Which users would have access to it? Would it be onwiki or offwiki? Would it be situated on Wikipedia:Long-term abuse like enwiki? Any of the answers to those questions could change my vote. --Belwine (talk) 15:42, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
  • I'd like to hear what the admins and Checkusers think, but my first thought is we don't want to validate them by giving them any more attention. On this wiki we seem to generally only deal with a handful of them on a regular basis, and I think the admins and checkusers have a good handle on keeping track of them as is. --Gordonrox24 | Talk 16:45, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
    Yeah, if it was onwiki that would definitely go against WP:DENY, so I'm wondering how the LTA database would be known without going against WP:DENY. --Belwine (talk) 16:54, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
  • Really I think most editors need to forget about worrying about LTAs and labelling people as such. There are only a handful of editors that hit this wiki that are truly LTAs. Don't worry about labelling accounts as being LTAs, just report accounts doing undesirable things to VIP. Checkusers/admins will deal with them, and I will note CUs have ways of keeping track. Being an LTA doesn't change what we do with them. Going around calling various editors LTAs just gives them the validation they want. -Djsasso (talk) 19:34, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

Universal Code of Conduct – 2021 consultations[change source]

Universal Code of Conduct Phase 2[change source]

Please help translate to your language

The Universal Code of Conduct (UCoC) provides a universal baseline of acceptable behavior for the entire Wikimedia movement and all its projects. The project is currently in Phase 2, outlining clear enforcement pathways. You can read more about the whole project on its project page.

Drafting Committee: Call for applications[change source]

The Wikimedia Foundation is recruiting volunteers to join a committee to draft how to make the code enforceable. Volunteers on the committee will commit between 2 and 6 hours per week from late April through July and again in October and November. It is important that the committee be diverse and inclusive, and have a range of experiences, including both experienced users and newcomers, and those who have received or responded to, as well as those who have been falsely accused of harassment.

To apply and learn more about the process, see Universal Code of Conduct/Drafting committee.

2021 community consultations: Notice and call for volunteers / translators[change source]

From 5 April – 5 May 2021 there will be conversations on many Wikimedia projects about how to enforce the UCoC. We are looking for volunteers to translate key material, as well as to help host consultations on their own languages or projects using suggested key questions. If you are interested in volunteering for either of these roles, please contact us in whatever language you are most comfortable.

To learn more about this work and other conversations taking place, see Universal Code of Conduct/2021 consultations.

-- Xeno (WMF) (talk) 22:06, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

Global bot policy changes[change source]

Editor review - Belwine[change source]

Hello. As Wikipedia:Editor review now redirects here, I'm assuming that this is now the place for editor reviews. I've been active here for about 3 months now, and would like some feedback to become a better editor. Thanks for your time :) --Belwine (talk) 10:06, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

Hello @Belwine: and thanks for posting here. I think you are a fine editor, and I've seen you grown so much in your time here, I remember the first time I saw you! Wow how time has flown. You've done a really good job here. One thing I'd suggest is to not comment on the Requests for Permissions forms, and as Auntof6 Mentioned, to not place an RFA on the RFP Page, of course you were not aware of this rule, so don't sweat it, now you know about it! One piece of advice I have for you is to never be scared to speak up if an user is abusing their rights (not picking on any user specifically) and never be scared to ask for help, and if you see an edit you don't know what to do, take it slowly, and ask another editor for help. Always remember that everyone here is a human, and no one is perfect, so it's natural to make mistakes sometimes, that is one of the best ways we actually learn (quoting my teacher here). Most importantly have fun in your time here, Wikipedia isn't mandatory, and don't let it affect your schoolwork (if you are in school), or your job! I first came to Wikipedia when I was very young, and the reason why I probably did poorly, and struggled to make friends (I still do struggle to find friends at school) was partly because I was spending too much time on the English Wikipedia. I've gotten better at managing my time now and learned to get off Wikipedia. I'm not saying that you may have this issue, I'm only pointing this out as a friendly pointer, so this won't happen to you! You may have different effects of the result of being on Wikipedia too much, and it may effect you differently in different areas of your life, not specifically in school. Wikipedia has no due date, so don't feel obligated to edit here every day if you are busy. I'm sure many editors could relate to me here and we've all been in school in one point of our lives, and probably had some similar experiences of being on Wikipedia too much. Thanks, Belwine for volunteering for Wikimedia's Projects, I really do appreciate the work you (and everyone) do. --Tsugaru Let's Talk! :) 🍁 00:08, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
Thank you for the feedback Tsugaru :)
With my high activity, I have found myself with a lot more free time than before the lockdown, hence why I have spent so much time here! In the next couple of weeks, I am expecting that to decrease, but I will try and stay as active as I can. Best, --Belwine (talk) 08:04, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

I'd like to know....[change source]

...how I've been doing and where I can improve. --Derpdart56 (talk) 17:08, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

@Derpdart56: Hello, I think you are a good editor, especially in anti-vandalism.
An area I think you could improve on is article creation. Your categorisation and stub marking is good, but there is not much content in the articles you create and they sometimes look a little empty. What I would recommend doing is maybe adding infoboxes and tables from the English Wikipedia, whilst ensuring the language is simple. Also, don't be afraid to copy bits from the English Wikipedia and simplify using BE 1500, whilst giving attribution with the {{translated page}} template. Even just adding the infoboxes from the English Wikipedia makes articles look way more complete in my opinion. See this compared to this.
One more thing I'd like to let you know is that Wikipedia:Introduction is a sandbox which Hazard-Bot regularly clears out. I see other editors make this mistake too - this page should be treated the exact same as Wikipedia:Sandbox and no rollbacks or undos should happen here unless it's spam or vandalism. Test edits are expected.
Other than that, you do a good job here, keep it up :D --Belwine (talk) 16:44, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

Japan Requested Articles[change source]

Where can I find a list for Requested Articles for Japan? Tsugaru Let's Talk! :) 🍁 22:24, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

I don't believe one exists. --Gordonrox24 | Talk 23:46, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
You could keep such a list at WikiProject Japan. Other than that, we don't categorize wanted articles by specific subject area. --Auntof6 (talk) 00:54, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez promoted to good article...[change source]

Hello, after a lengthy discussion, I promoted Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez to Good article. While there may still be issues remaining, keep in mind that we are talking about "good article", and not "very good article", and that the "perfect article" likely doesn't exist. So congrats to all those who helped and contributed to the article. --Eptalon (talk) 12:23, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

I've updated the Wikidata item accordingly. If there is anything missed, let me know (or fix it yourself). --IWI (talk) 13:30, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

Geisha demoted to good article...[change source]

Hello all, the article Geisha was started in 2007. It is one of the oldest articles we have. When we started having Very Good Articles, it was also one of the first articles to get that status. Some time ago, concerns were raised about it rightfully being a very good article, and there are areas which need to be updated. For this reason, I have demoted it to the status of good article. When the issues have all been addressed, we can re-promote the article using the regular process. --Eptalon (talk) 12:32, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

I've updated all of the relevant things for a demoted article, including the Wikidata item. Let me know if I missed anything. --IWI (talk) 13:28, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
Don't let us get too hasty about this. Demotion from or promotion to VGA is a big deal, not to be rushed. I can see things which need improvement as it is. The first para alone is badly written. And, checking with En wiki, I can see whole topics left out of our version. Macdonald-ross (talk) 13:07, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
As I wrote, it is one of the oldest articles we have, and its age is clearly visible. When it has been worked on, and the editors agree that it is ready, it will go through a regular process. Hanami is an article that has a similar age (also from 2007), it was demoted to good article in 2018. Since then, there were roughly 40 edits to the page. Looking at the actual changes, there were minor (fixing references, some rephrasing). So far, there has been no attempt to re-promote to VGA. Japanese tea ceremony, demoted to regular article in 2008; about 80 revisions since then; also very little change, no attempt at re-promoting the article. As of now, 27 articles have been demoted from VGA. I am not aware of any that have been re-promoted to VGA, after being demoted. So yes, if we take the process seriously, the article will need to go through a regular process, when the community feels it is ready. --Eptalon (talk) 18:32, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

World Heritage Sites...[change source]

...should all have a flag at the top right of the page. You get this by adding {{WHSite}} at the bottom of the page. Macdonald-ross (talk) 07:03, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Line numbering coming soon to all wikis[change source]

-- Johanna Strodt (WMDE) 15:09, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Category:Uncategorized stubs[change source]

Is Category:Uncategorized stubs still used? From what I see, it's empty. Lights and freedom (talk) 04:51, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

@Lights and freedom: Yes, it's still used. It has to be manually populated. Note that it has text on it that says it could be empty. --Auntof6 (talk) 07:04, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
@Auntof6: I'd like to better understand its purpose. Is it for stub articles that just happen to have no categories, or for articles that use the basic {{stub}} template instead of one of the other templates? Lights and freedom (talk) 07:10, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
@Lights and freedom: It's for stub articles that don't have any of the regular categories that articles should have. It can be hard to find them because Special:UncategorizedPages only shows pages that have absolutely no categories on them. Stubs will always have at least the stub categories, but they need more than that. --Auntof6 (talk) 07:14, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
Thanks, that makes sense. Lights and freedom (talk) 07:17, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Person categories[change source]

Should we categorize person categories within categories that include that person? For example, Category:John Adams is the only president category currently within Category:Presidents of the United States. Also, a few person categories are contained within Category:19th-century people. But most person categories are not categorized in this way. Lights and freedom (talk) 05:12, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

@Lights and freedom: Any category that is a category named after a person should only have one category: Category:Categories named after people. I just removed the other two categories on Category:John Adams, and I'm taking the person categories out of the 19th-century people category. Thanks for pointing this out. Does that address your question? --Auntof6 (talk) 07:10, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
Yes, thank you. I will fix that if I see that on any other person categories. Lights and freedom (talk) 07:11, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
@Lights and freedom: Thanks. Just be sure you copy any needed categories to the main article. For example, some of the ones I just fixed didn't need to be copied to Category:19th-century people because they were already in a category for 19th-century politicians. However, some did need to be copied because they weren't in any explicit 19th century category. --Auntof6 (talk) 07:16, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Some joker just added false info about Nutri Ventures – The Quest for the 7 Kingdoms[change source]

The edits on the article for Nutri Ventures – The Quest for the 7 Kingdoms has to be a joke as it looks like it was written on a fanfic site. SpinnerLaserzthe2nd (talk) 05:48, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

@SpinnerLaserzthe2nd If you believe changes should be made add them on the talk page or just make the edits. SoyokoAnis - talk 17:51, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

A few formatting questions[change source]

Hi all. I just had a couple of formatting questions that I was hoping somebody might be able to clear up. Firstly, when a navigational box (say {{Cities in France}}) is included on a page that also has an Authority Control template on it, should there be a gap between it and the navigational box or not - I've seen it done both ways and so am interested in what the general consensus is. Secondly, is there any consensus on where stub tags should be placed on pages that have nav boxes + authority control? I've seen it above both of them (ie just below References/Other Websites) but also below. I wasn't sure if there was any definitive guide to that - on the one hand putting it above makes it much easier to see, especially if there is a long infobox on the page, but on the other stub tags typically go right at the bottom of an article. If anyone has any ideas on either question it would be much appreciated. Best, Milo, Talk, Contribs 12:29, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

Stubs are supposed to go after the categories with two spaces between them and the categories, not with the navboxes. Authority control goes after navboxes, no space needed. -Djsasso (talk) 12:32, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
Brilliant that's perfect thanks! Milo, Talk, Contribs 12:39, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
@SpaceGuy32: I know Djsasso answered your immediate question. But I thought I would share a link to en:MOS:ORDER as well. In case you have similar questions about the order of other elements in the future, it is a useful resource. Desertborn (talk) 18:06, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
@Desertborn: Oh wonderful that's exactly what I was looking for. Bookmarked for future use! Thanks, Milo, Talk, Contribs 18:37, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

WikiProject Nickelodeon is looking for new members![change source]

Wikiproject Nickelodeon.png is looking for new members. Join us now!

Link SoyokoAnis - talk 20:45, 14 April 2021 (UTC)