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CopyPatrol for simplewiki[change source]

Hello everyone. After we have noticed more copyright violations recently (with some going back nearly a year) I thought about possibly bringing CopyPatrol to simplewiki. If you don't know what CopyPatrol is: you can see what it's like on - you are shown recent edits that may be copyright violations, with the URL that editor may be copying from. You can compare the URL and edit, and decide if no action is needed (for example, if it's a wiki-mirror), or whether the page needs to be fixed. It's currently used on the English, French and Spanish Wikipedias. This tool would allow us to easily find copyright violations sooner (hours/days after they are added) instead of sometimes only finding them after several months. So, are we interested in bringing this tool to this Wikipedia and, if we are, how many people are interested in actively using it? --Ferien (talk) 14:21, 2 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Derpdart56 you just need to be able to edit. --Ferien (talk) 14:54, 2 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Ah. Derpdart56 (talk) 15:25, 2 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Well I have used it once, when I was the reviewer of Wikiproject Article for Creation at enwiki. It's a good tool. --DRC (User:TTP1233) (talk . e-mail . contrib) 04:57, 3 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Ferien We are happy to get this tool introduced. Well if you could provide me the documentation link of it, I can analyse more about it. --DRC (User:TTP1233) (talk . e-mail . contrib) 04:59, 3 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@TTP1233 The documentation is here. It's fairly simple–it shows you edits that may need copyright patrolling. If the edit is fine, no action is needed, but if it contains significant copyvio, flag it for speedy deletion or remove it and request revdel, then the page is fixed. Be wary of wikipedia mirrors. — *Fehufangą✉ Talk page 05:03, 3 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I see then... --DRC (User:TTP1233) (talk . e-mail . contrib) 05:07, 3 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • I'd be interested in using CopyPatrol here. — *Fehufangą✉ Talk page 05:07, 3 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Me too. No doubt that it will help us to identify the portions which are copyright infringement. --DRC (User:TTP1233) (talk . e-mail . contrib) 05:10, 3 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support bringing the tool here. (I also reformatted the responses here to be easier for the closing sysop to follow the comments.) Operator873 connect 20:47, 6 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support. I think I used copypatrol for a while on the Spanish Wikipedia. It's a bit dull but it's good work. Darkfrog24 (talk) 03:09, 7 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Ok, looks like we have a good amount of people who want CopyPatrol and would use it. I have created a phab task: phab:T318032. --Ferien (talk) 14:01, 17 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Proposing simplification desk[change source]

I think this wiki would benefit from having a dedicated page where people can ask for help with making things simpler. As being simple is the entire reason it exists. I think it should be separate from Simple talk because some editors might not want to be burdened with constant messages on this page that they might not care about. And there are also admins' talk pages that get bombarded with questions like this. This could be a separate page in Wikipedia namespace, or it could be a part of User:Thesixthstaff/WikiProject Simplification. Alternatively, we could just use Simple talk, but I want to get a sense if others are ok with constant questions about minor things here. Thanks, Lights and freedom (talk) 17:15, 3 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

A benefit is that people would not have to respond right away. They could respond whenever they got time. Lights and freedom (talk) 17:21, 3 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I think making it a part of WikiProject Simplification might be a good idea but using Simple talk isn't too bad - simplification requests aren't taking up too much space here. --Ferien (talk) 20:15, 6 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
We have a tag to put on relevant articles. Historically this project has not supported creating additioanl noticeboards, and I don't think something like this is necessary. Organizing drives to simplify tagged articles, however, is very much something that could be productive. Vermont 🐿️ (talk) 02:19, 8 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It's more so we can discuss what would be simpler. Someone might think they're simplifying, but they're actually replacing longer words with more complicated phrasal verbs, for example. Or maybe there are situations when the phrasal verbs would be easier. There are a few editors here who have worked with English-language learners and have professional knowledge of what is more easily understood, but many of us don't have that experience. Lights and freedom (talk) 02:48, 8 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Oh, I see, so you're talkinga bout whether it would be better to say "from nose to rear end" or "from nose to anus" when talking about snout-vent length (a way to say how big an amphibian or reptile is without involving its tail or big hind legs). Darkfrog24 (talk) 00:42, 15 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Interesting, I tried something similar about ten years ago. I see the userbox I created for it is being used here. I'm happy to see the idea for such a project still around. Kansan (talk) 22:39, 25 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Darkfrog24: "Read end" wouldn't be a good term because:
  • It's slang.
  • It's mostly used in humans, not animals.
  • When used for humans, it means the buttocks rather than the anus.
I know it's the term used in Snout-vent length, but we should probably change that. -- Auntof6 (talk) 23:31, 25 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Retirement[change source]

Hello friends, after some personal disagreements with enwiki, I lose hope to edit. So I have decided to take an retirement. It is an honor to serve here at Wikipedia. Thank you and wish you all the best for future. (My last edit) --DRC (User:TTP1233) (talk . e-mail . contrib) 08:58, 5 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@TTP1233: Thank you for all your edits, and I wish you much success in life! Hockeycatcat (talk) (changes) 09:52, 5 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I'm sorry to hear about this :-( Thank you for your contributions, and I hope you can find other fun hobbies to spend your time. Vermont 🐿️ (talk) 02:38, 8 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
That is the most gracious exit I've read in a long time. Good luck with whatever project gets your hard work next, DNC! Darkfrog24 (talk) 00:43, 15 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Material[change source]

Hello! I just noticed that this page is more of a definition and not a specific topic that an article can expand on. Should I add a deletion template? I'm just looking for input on this page, so I don't do something like put up a good article for deletion. Sincerely, Midknight of the Abyss (talk) 14:44, 8 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello, If you think that the definition isn't good, and that improving it to a point where it is decent is difficult; or that there's little "encyclopedic substance", then you should put the article up for deletion (articles also survive deletion discussions). If however you think that if you take half an hour and come up with something keepable, that's the preferred way to go, though. Eptalon (talk) 15:10, 8 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
What about redirect? Here's the page: Material. Please review it and tell me if it's worth redirecting to Matter. Midknight of the Abyss (talk) 19:23, 8 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Article seems fine to me. Don't think it needs a redirect. -Djsasso (talk) 12:12, 9 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Continents and island nations[change source]

Jamaica, the West Indies, Hispaniola... We're counting them as part of North America, right? A frog that lives in Jamaica is filed under CAT:Frogs of North America? Darkfrog24 (talk) 23:57, 9 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

That would make sense to me.--Gordonrox24 | Talk 01:23, 12 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Discussion about categories related to chemicals[change source]

This may not be the most interesting topic, but it's important so that people can easily find articles. We currently have Category:Chemicals and Category:Chemical compounds, and we should clearly define what belongs in each. For example, "glue", "petroleum", and "antifreeze" are not specific chemical compounds, so where do they belong? There are also some categories that are classes of chemical compounds, such as Category:Hydrocarbons. This contains specific compounds/molecules like methane, but also other things like gasoline. Then there are the large number of biological molecules, mainly in four groups: Category:Lipids, Category:Proteins (and their component amino acids), Category:Carbohydrates, and nucleic acids. Enwiki has en:Category:Biomolecules for those. Hemoglobin is an example of a protein that's a compound, but an article like protein folding is not a chemical compound itself though it relates to them. Another note is Category:Polymers should be considered, both for the biological and artificial polymers. Finally, there are grounds of chemicals by purpose/effect, such as Category:Pigments and Category:Poisons, which should be under a consistent supercategory. This is all just to give you an idea of what the issues are.

So together, let's try to clearly define all of these. Lights and freedom (talk) 05:15, 11 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I am not a chemist, so I may have a biased opinion: Pretty much everything is a chemical, now if the thing is made of molecules of two or more substances, these are chemical compounds: Examples are nitric acid or sulfuric acid, both widely used. As to antifreeze: this is likely a class of substances, and might be worth a category. Note that certain fish also make antifreeze, the Sea wolves (en). So, there might be other classifications.--Eptalon (talk) 06:51, 11 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Would it be beneficial to have a new category for "Biomolecules"? Lights and freedom (talk) 05:36, 13 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Chemical products is a possibility. Macdonald-ross (talk) 13:24, 19 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
If you find a suitable parent, and get at least three of them, then why not? Eptalon (talk) 19:11, 18 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I need help with images![change source]

Hello there, I am fairly new to Wikipedia and all, and when I added in an image, it was far away from the header I wanted it to be in. Does anyone know how to align them? DawnTheFirst (talk) 06:30, 11 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@DawnTheFirst: I should be able to help you with that. Can you give an example? Maybe add the image and save the page, then reply here and point to the problem? -- Auntof6 (talk) 07:11, 11 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Alright, here is an example:

Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. WhiteHouseSouthFacade.JPG Pharetra convallis posuere morbi leo urna. Dignissim diam quis enim lobortis. Pellentesque habitant morbi tristique senectus. Molestie ac feugiat sed lectus vestibulum mattis ullamcorper. Consequat mauris nunc congue nisi vitae suscipit. Quis enim lobortis scelerisque fermentum. Egestas tellus rutrum tellus pellentesque eu tincidunt. Condimentum vitae sapien pellentesque habitant.
As you can see, it kind of takes a big chunk of of the text space, and I want it aligned right. DawnTheFirst (talk) 00:58, 12 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@DawnTheFirst: This will be easier if we code it the way it would be on a page, without the indentation used on a talk page. I created User:Auntof6/sandbox3 for this, so go there and see a couple of examples that might be what you're looking for. Feel free to add sections if you want me to look at other alternatives.
A couple of other notes:
  • Usually there should be a caption with an image. I'll demonstrate how to do that on the sandbox page.
  • Usually the file would be coded on a separate line from the text and/or headings around it. I'll demonstrate that on the sandbox page as well.
Hope this helps. Let me know if these aren't what you need. -- Auntof6 (talk) 01:18, 12 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@DawnTheFirst: Did this help at all? -- Auntof6 (talk) 23:32, 25 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Red Link help[change source]

Good evening, everyone. I just wanted to ask if some would help remove red links or make articles for red links on some articles. It just makes the article look bad and I would appreciate it if you helped me! Thank you! SoyokoAnis - talk 01:25, 15 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@SoyokoAnis Hello. As ugly as they look, red links, if they point to potentially helpful articles, shouldn't be removed from articles. — *Fehufangą✉ Talk page 01:30, 15 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Fehufanga Red links tend to stay on articles for months or maybe years. Especially on some of the articles, I created. Infact, Simple Wiki's small amount of members makes it hard to get any collaboration done. For example, why create a red-linked article when you can make one that you're more interested in by yourself? SoyokoAnis - talk 02:52, 15 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
But I do understand, what you mean/where you're coming from. SoyokoAnis - talk 02:52, 15 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@SoyokoAnis: It's OK if red links stay for a long time. If you're worried about some specific red links, you can create the page(s) if you want. There's always a lot to do here, so some things wait a while to get taken care of. -- Auntof6 (talk) 04:02, 15 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@SoyokoAnis Welcome back! Lights and freedom (talk) 21:24, 15 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Lights and freedom Oh, thanks! It's nice to know someone knew I was gone for a while. SoyokoAnis - talk 02:06, 16 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

April Fools?[change source]

Have we ever done anything relating to the holiday? Derpdart56 (talk) 17:18, 16 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Derpdart56: If I recall correctly, it has been discussed, but we decided not to do anything because of the possible confusion for people whose English is not good. -- Auntof6 (talk) 19:22, 16 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

List of Wanted Pages[change source]

... is generally useless for our purposes at least, because it is entirely dominated by place-names. Most of these would never be important to us. We still haven't got good pages on all capital cities! London is still only so-so. Macdonald-ross (talk) 10:45, 17 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Macdonald-ross: We don't seem to have Wikipedia:List of Wanted Pages, or even Wikipedia:List of wanted pages. Do you mean Wikipedia:Requested pages, or maybe Special:WantedPages? -- Auntof6 (talk) 13:16, 17 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Globai Warming[change source]

WHAT is Globai Warming (talk) 11:13, 17 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi and welcome to the Simple English Wikipedia. I believe Global warming should help you. Have a nice day! SoyokoAnis - talk 21:59, 17 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Descent categories on simplewiki[change source]

I have a question about the ethnic groups/descent categories on simplewiki. MathXplore and Auntof6 said that those categories are not allowed here, according to this discussion. *Fehufangą said its overcategorization, according to

  • says "The standard form for categories by ancestry, culture, or ethnicity is "FOOian people of BARian descent", where "FOOian" is the person's nationality (country of citizenship) and "BARian" is the person's ethnic ancestry (such as Category:Irish people of Ghanaian descent and Category:American people of German descent)."

History of the Americas[change source]

We don't seem to have pages on the American wars of independence, including the topic of European powers in South America and Central America. Even our page on the Philippines doesn't deal properly with its history with the U.S. Macdonald-ross (talk) 16:32, 18 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I just wrote a history section for Philippines, but it could still use more work from more hands. All my sources are of American origin. Darkfrog24 (talk) 19:26, 20 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Becoming my home wiki[change source]

I just wanted to say thanks to all the contributors here at Simple Wiki. I have made the decision to migrate from enwiki to Simple Wiki. So this is now my home wiki. Thank you all! SoyokoAnis - talk 12:56, 21 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]'s too quick for me to actively revert vandalism there, so I help out here. Derpdart56 (talk) 13:51, 21 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
ENWiki is a great wiki nonetheless, but for some editors it is very complicated and everywhere. Simple Wiki even if its not the point is a very calm wiki. You can edit simply without the worry of your a new article you made get deleted a few DAYS later. SoyokoAnis - talk 14:49, 21 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
yeah. Derpdart56 (talk) 14:59, 21 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I often write an article on one wiki and then improve its counterpart on the other one! Darkfrog24 (talk) 02:16, 22 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Spam of US cities[change source]

Hello, I was looking through Short pages in the Special pages category, and I saw a whole lot of US city articles with this text: Blank (the city) is a city in Blank (the state) in the United States. There are more than 50 of these. Can someone help me filter through these and determine what cities need a page and which ones don't? Midknight of the Abyss (talk) 16:29, 21 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Midknight1342 May it be that all these cities warrant a page. There's a lot of them but I'm sure with the help of other simpledians, you can edit them without removing them. SoyokoAnis - talk 16:31, 21 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I believe a good chunk of those were from unauthorized bot edits by a now blocked user known as User:Gay Yong Hernandez under an IP. Derpdart56 (talk) 17:31, 21 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Derpdart56: That doesn't mean they should be deleted, though, in case anyone was thinking that. -- Auntof6 (talk) 19:13, 21 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Midknight1342: If they are real cities, then they all can have a page. We definitely prefer to have more information, but cities, towns, and similar populated places are considered notable just because they exist. See en:WP:GEOLAND for the guideline. -- Auntof6 (talk) 19:16, 21 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yep. We have someone who, every week or so, makes a bunch of stubs about Vermont towns. I get pinged in the IRC feed every time. It's not very fun, but they are notable (and there's so many of them). Vermont 🐿️ (talk) 22:53, 21 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Deletion timestamp[change source]

Does 7 days really need to be how long it is until a deletion consensus is decided? A lot of discussions barely get any attention. Would 5 days be a better timestamp? SoyokoAnis - talk 16:57, 21 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

A lack of attention would warrant a longer discussion time. However, considering current admin activity, the real discussion time seems far longer than 7 days. Vermont 🐿️ (talk) 22:53, 21 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The Vector 2022 skin as the default in two weeks?[change source]

The slides for our presentation at Wikimania 2022

Hello. I'm writing on behalf of the Wikimedia Foundation Web team. In two weeks, we would like to make the Vector 2022 skin the default on this wiki.

We have been working on it for the past three years. So far, it has been the default on more than 30 wikis, including sister projects, all accounting for more than 1 billion pageviews per month. On average 87% of active logged-in users of those wikis use Vector 2022.

It would become the default for all logged-out users, and also all logged-in users who currently use Vector legacy. Logged-in users can at any time switch to any other skins. No changes are expected for users of these skins.

About the skin[change source]

[Why is a change necessary] The current default skin meets the needs of the readers and editors as these were 13 years ago. Since then, new users have begun using Wikimedia projects. The old Vector doesn't meet their needs.

[Objective] The objective for the new skin is to make the interface more welcoming and comfortable for readers and useful for advanced users. It draws inspiration from previous requests, the Community Wishlist Surveys, and gadgets and scripts. The work helped our code follow the standards and improve all other skins. We reduced PHP code in Wikimedia deployed skins by 75%. The project has also focused on making it easier to support gadgets and use APIs.

[Changes and test results] The skin introduces a series of changes that improve readability and usability. The new skin does not remove any functionality currently available on the Vector skin.

  • The sticky header makes it easier to find tools that editors use often. It decreases scrolling to the top of the page by 16%.
  • The new table of contents makes it easier to navigate to different sections. Readers and editors jumped to different sections of the page 50% more than with the old table of contents. It also looks a bit different on talk pages.
  • The new search bar is easier to find and makes it easier to find the correct search result from the list. This increased the amount of searches started by 30% on the wikis we tested on.
  • The skin does not negatively affect pageviews, edit rates, or account creation. There is evidence of increases in pageviews and account creation across partner communities.

[Try it out] Try out the new skin by going to the appearance tab in your preferences and selecting Vector 2022 from the list of skins.

How can editors change and customize this skin?[change source]

It's possible to configure and personalize our changes. We support volunteers who create new gadgets and user scripts. Check out our repository for a list of currently available customizations, or add your own.

Our plan[change source]

If no large concerns are raised, we plan on deploying in the week of October 3, 2022. If your community would like to request more time to discuss the changes, hit the button and write to us. We can adjust the calendar.

Request for more time to discuss the change

Also, if you'd like ask our team anything, if you have questions, concerns, or additional thoughts, please ping me here or write on the talk page of the project. We will also gladly answer! See our FAQ. Thank you! SGrabarczuk (WMF) (talk) 02:54, 22 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Discussion
I haven't been active lately and didn't intend to edit for at least a while, I have been so busy, but I came across this change and I wanted to confirm again if there is an option to keep the current vector skin if the new one does come in? --Tsugaru let's talk! :) 02:42, 25 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Pinging @SGrabarczuk (WMF) for the above question. Jolly1253 (talk) 07:06, 25 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
You can find it in the Appearance tab in Preferences/My Settings. Here's a link to it. Explodicator7331 (talk) 20:06, 25 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Announcing the preliminary results of the 2022 Board of Trustees election Community Voting period[change source]

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Zuz (WMF) (talk) 08:55, 22 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Infobox settlement vs. custom infoboxes for states in a country[change source]

A lot of pages are currently using a custom infobox for states (or provinces, prefectures, departments, etc...) within a country. For example, Fukushima Prefecture uses Template:Infobox Prefecture Japan, Brandenburg uses Template:Infobox German state, Ontario uses Template:Infobox province or territory of Canada, and so on. These templates are usually a wrapper for Template:Infobox settlement. However, others use Infobox settlement directly, such as Nuevo León, Acre (state), and Chubut. Some don't use any version of Infobox settlement at all (Auvergne-Rhône-Alpes for example).

Many pages for states are currently missing a template entirely (such as Shiga Prefecture), and there are still more which don't exist here and need to be created or simplified from ENWiki. So, when adding an infobox to pages like these, should we use the appropriate country's template where possible (i.e Infobox Prefecture Japan for Shiga Prefecture), or use Infobox settlement directly? And for countries which seem to use a mix of the two, should we standardize it so the articles for every state in a country use the same template? Tymewalk (talk) 05:06, 25 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Good question. I don't know that there's any rule about that. The advantage of using the more-specific templates (including the wrapper templates) is that many things are automatically specified and other things are easier to specify. The disadvantage is that we have to maintain templates that could be replaced by the base settlement infobox. Enwiki seems to have fewer templates that call the settlement infobox, although they have some that we don't.
Auvergne-Rhône-Alpes uses the geobox template, which should be replaced with an appropriate infobox template. I was working on replacing it when a real life situation intervened. I plan to get back to it, but of course anyone else who would like to do that replacement is also welcome to. I've just been replacing it with the infobox used on enwiki, then addressing any issues caused by the replacement. Once all uses of the geobox template have been replaced, we can eliminate it as was done on enwiki. -- Auntof6 (talk) 07:40, 25 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Sudden lack of editors[change source]

I've noticed that in the past few months a lot of the major simplewiki editors (eg. BRPEver, PDL, TDKR, MrMeAndMrMe) all have became much less active or quit (in TDKRs case, he will retire in a few months, and in PDLs case he was indefinitely blocked). This worries me, is there a cause? Lallint (talk) 🍔cheesborger🍔 17:00, 25 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Lallint: Summer holidays? Normal attrition? Maybe if you ping them here they will respond for themselves. -- Auntof6 (talk) 19:40, 25 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]